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UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

Never abou the porn as predicted. It's about the creeping censorship of the Net by limiting the audience of undesirable content becuase most people will just accept the defaults.

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This week prime minister David Cameron announced further details of his crusade to have adult material censored in the UK. It’s a controversial topic for a number of reasons, with even those unconcerned about losing access to porn wondering what will be censored next. Apparently the government have already thought that through. According to ISPs speaking with the Open Rights Group, the filter will target a range of other content too.

On Monday David Cameron told his citizens that by the end of the year broadband subscribers will be required to go through a compulsory system which will decide what they can and cannot see on the Internet.

Starting from a position of ‘porn banned’, subscribers will have to systematically unblock things they require access to. This, Cameron says, will help prevent the nation’s children from gaining access to “corroding influences” online.

While the idea of protecting children is a commendable one, censorship opponents leveled several criticisms at the scheme. Would it work? Would it lead to over-blocking? Would the system be easily circumvented? What about the privacy implications?

In the last few hours new information has been emerging which reveals that the proposals seen so far are actually only the thin end of a worryingly fat wedge.

The Open Rights Group are reporting that they’ve had a nice little chat with some of the ISPs that will be expected to introduce Cameron’s porn filter. Unsurprisingly the list of websites and content to be blocked by default won’t stop at porn.

ORG speculate on categories of content that might be filtered in future, but for a clearer idea of where we stand today we can take a look at the system currently being operated by ISP TalkTalk. The HomeSafe system, which was singled out for praise by David Cameron earlier this week as leading the way in this field, currently covers several categories as detailed in the image below.

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As previously noted, leave the third box ticked and not only will all file-sharing sites be wiped out, but TorrentFreak with them too. Leave the rest of them ticked (note: the government is promising “default on” for all filters) and it’s anyone’s guess what else will disappear. Just like when many novice (or even experienced users) install software, the chances of people simply clicking through, next after next, is extremely high.

Furthermore, in news that’s unlikely to win the PM or TalkTalk many fans, it’s now been revealed by the BBC that HomeSafe is being run by Huawei, a Chinese company founded by a former China People’s Liberation Army officer.

The UK government already knows about the connection, as an Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) report released last month expressed concern over the “alleged links between Huawei and the Chinese State” as they “generate suspicion as to whether Huawei’s intentions are strictly commercial or are more political.”

Whether Huawei is linked to the government or not (they insist not), it’s hardly encouraging to discover that even when TalkTalk subscribers turn filtering completely off, their traffic is still routed through Huawei’s system.

UK ISPs will be free to use whatever filtering system they like when the time comes, but it’s certainly possible that some will choose to use the existing service offered by Huawei. In order to thwart their traffic being monitored, subscribers will still be able to use a VPN. Unless circumvention tools are blocked too, as Open Rights Group suggest.

http://torrentfreak.com/uk-porn-filter-will-censor-other-content-too-isps-reveal-130726/

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Cameron's proposed filters extend to more than just porn

The British prime minister's internet filters will be about more than just hardcore pornography, according to information obtained by the Open Rights Group.

The organisation, which campaigns for digital freedoms, has spoken to some of the Internet Service Providers that will be constructing Cameron's content filters. They discovered that a host of other categories of supposedly-objectionable material may be on the block-list.

As well as pornography, users may automatically be opted in to blocks on "violent material", "extremist related content", "anorexia and eating disorder websites" and "suicide related websites", "alcohol" and "smoking". But the list doesn't stop there. It even extends to blocking "web forums" and "esoteric material", whatever that is. "Web blocking circumvention tools" is also included, of course.

The ORG's Jim Killock says: "What's clear here is that David Cameron wants people to sleepwalk into censorship. We know that people stick with defaults: this is part of the idea behind 'nudge theory' and 'choice architecture' that is popular with Cameron."

He adds: "The implication is that filtering is good, or at least harmless, for anyone, whether adult or child. Of course, this is not true; there's not just the question of false positives for web users, but the affect on a network economy of excluding a proportion of a legitimate website's audience."

You can find out more over at the Open Rights Group's website.

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Cameron does realise that all someone has to do to bypass these filters is to type the relevant web address into one of the many sites like this right?

http://mrbrowser.com



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Also how the hell are these filters actually going to work? Say the filters are set to allow social networking, but ban porn. What happens when the woman the kid is following on Twitter decides to post a picture of herself at her latest swingers party getting gang banged? How will the filter know what it is unless someone tells them?

What about photo sharing sites like flickr? Is the kid looking at pictures of grandma's birthday party or pictures of someone testing out the latest 10 inch dildo?

Unless they are going to have millions of people flagging every bit of content ever posted online then surely they are just going to have to ban whole sites to stop the porn getting through. So no Twitter, no Flickr, no Wikipedia (it has pictures of naughty bits on), no forums. Basically no site where the users generate content.

The more I think about this the more unworkable I think it is. Of course the idiot politicians don't actually care about that, they just want to pander to the outraged Daily Mail (who publish what could be classed as adult content themselves).

Also how long before non-mainstream political parties are added to the filter? Can't have our kids minds corrupted by non-LibLabCon parties now can we :roll:



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Resonance wrote:Cameron does realise that all someone has to do to bypass these filters is to type the relevant web address into one of the many sites like this right?

http://mrbrowser.com


Or even better just install TOR

https://www.torproject.org/

And use that.


Cameron and cronies know that the anything they do will be surmountable, but the principle is keeping stuff they deem undesirable ( political content ) away for the masses. That's why PressTV was taken off the Mainstream Airwaves in Europe. they know a minority will still access it online, but the masses won't be able to see it through their SKY or freeview boxes

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Good lord, someone who actually thinks of this as a good idea has clearly not heard of parental packages like Net Nanny, Cyber-Patrol etc.
David Cameron and the rest of the Conservative Party must be monumentally stupid if he has to draft a law to try to enforce something that's already been covered.

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The people who want the blocks are the ones that are happy to pay for software that blocks whatever they want. Plus adults want to be able to do whatever on the internet while still protecting their children, they don't want to be subject to the same blocks as their kids.



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What about the ways around spellings and stuff like the email filters most work places use?

E.g. you can't type "shit", but can type "sh1t".

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Gunner 51 wrote:Good lord, someone who actually thinks of this as a good idea has clearly not heard of parental packages like Net Nanny, Cyber-Patrol etc.
David Cameron and the rest of the Conservative Party must be monumentally stupid if he has to draft a law to try to enforce something that's already been covered.


IMHO it's not about the porn it's about limiting the audience of "politically unsavoury" material to the masses on the basis that a lot of them will just leave their internet settings on default.

Cameron and the Elite he works for couldn't care less about ordinary people being harmed they care about themselves being harmed politically.


The "won't somebody think of the children" bollocks is just as much as bullshit excuse to stealth censor the Net as terrorism is a bullshit excuse to kill in the middle east.

They know peeps ;like us will simply turn the filters off, but they want to limit the spread of unsavoury stuff

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Gunner 51 wrote:Good lord, someone who actually thinks of this as a good idea has clearly not heard of parental packages like Net Nanny, Cyber-Patrol etc.
David Cameron and the rest of the Conservative Party must be monumentally stupid if he has to draft a law to try to enforce something that's already been covered.


I don't wish to be seen as defending Cameron - but there are plenty of parents who know very little about computers who won't know, or even have looked for, packages that restrict sites for kiddies.

I dunno how good they are these days but I've heard of many parents complaining that they have to unlock lots of sites for their children doing homework.

I also dunno about why looking up stuff on the interwebby should be needed for homework - but maybe I'm old-fashioned. :): Surely kids who don't have computers at home (there must still be some) are disadvantaged?

The point about the varied needs in the household is one that I thought immediately. If one of the parents wants some feelthy stuff from their internet provider then maybe they will select the no filter option anyway? I know about the ways to bypass IP filters but not everyone does.

This is mainly a way for Cameron to get votes from DM readers. :)

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Gunner 51 wrote:Good lord, someone who actually thinks of this as a good idea has clearly not heard of parental packages like Net Nanny, Cyber-Patrol etc.
David Cameron and the rest of the Conservative Party must be monumentally stupid if he has to draft a law to try to enforce something that's already been covered.


I don't wish to be seen as defending Cameron - but there are plenty of parents who know very little about computers who won't know, or even have looked for, packages that restrict sites for kiddies.


Not all parents see the sight of nakedness or sex has actually being damaging for their children. but for those that wish to restrict the available media their children see then they should make some proactive effort to learn about how to do it.


Why should everyone else be forced to physically opt out of something, with the consequence of being recorded on the list of those opting out?

Why should images of violence be freely available to everyone, but wanting to watch media of naked people having sex require a physical opt out and marked down on the list?






I dunno how good they are these days but I've heard of many parents complaining that they have to unlock lots of sites for their children doing homework.

I also dunno about why looking up stuff on the interwebby should be needed for homework - but maybe I'm old-fashioned. :): Surely kids who don't have computers at home (there must still be some) are disadvantaged?

The point about the varied needs in the household is one that I thought immediately. If one of the parents wants some feelthy stuff from their internet provider then maybe they will select the no filter option anyway? I know about the ways to bypass IP filters but not everyone does.

This is mainly a way for Cameron to get votes from DM readers. :)


It's all about a stealth censorship of the Net. They know the level of techno-naivety amongst the masses and that's why opt out of filtering is attractive to them. They know that the masses will just leave the default settings in place and thus see a censored and politically sanitised version of the Net.

The filters that already exist on some ISPs ( currently opt in, but opt out if Cameron and his elite masters get their way ) are already filtering out many threads on general forums Like DS and probably Smeggy's and other forums too.

This ain't about the porn it's about making the general Net as filtered as the content from the mainstream Elite control media is.

The Internet has allowed, in it's unbridled form, has allowed ordinary people to not only share mass information, but to easily view information that's damaging to the Elite's politically correct view and share it.

The people are becoming aware of being lied to and fucked over and the Elite are trying to limit that damage by restricting how many people are exposed to politically incorrect info.

Nothing to do with porn it's a war of information dissemination.

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There's a petition against the filters up now if anyone wants to sign. Already has 30K+ signatures

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746



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Resonance wrote:There's a petition against the filters up now if anyone wants to sign. Already has 30K+ signatures

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746



Good stuff. I signed this yonks ago.

I think this childish and pathetic excuse to try and censor the net against politically incorrect content is going to fail. Chatter all over the net shows that people are wise to the real agenda behind this. Crap from stooges like MP Claire Perry trying to link viewing regular adult healthy porn with child murder are only fooling the most brain dead in society.

What gives the game away with this fraudulent agenda is Cameron claiming to care about what might be damaging to the children of ordinary people.

If David Cameron truly cared about the welfare of the nation's children why would he continue to allow the world's biggest paedophile ring to run a huge amount of British state primary schools?

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Yes, it's got fuck all to do with protecting children and everything to do with controlling the internet more generally.



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Resonance wrote:There's a petition against the filters up now if anyone wants to sign. Already has 30K+ signatures

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746



Good stuff. I signed this yonks ago.

I think this childish and pathetic excuse to try and censor the net against politically incorrect content is going to fail. Chatter all over the net shows that people are wise to the real agenda behind this. Crap from stooges like MP Claire Perry trying to link viewing regular adult healthy porn with child murder are only fooling the most brain dead in society.

What gives the game away with this fraudulent agenda is Cameron claiming to care about what might be damaging to the children of ordinary people.

If David Cameron truly cared about the welfare of the nation's children why would he continue to allow the world's biggest paedophile ring to run a huge amount of British state primary schools?

i thought you didn't do that sort of thing smeggy :confused: :hmmm:

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Gunner 51 wrote:Good lord, someone who actually thinks of this as a good idea has clearly not heard of parental packages like Net Nanny, Cyber-Patrol etc.



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diablo wrote:I dunno how good they are these days but I've heard of many parents complaining that they have to unlock lots of sites for their children doing homework.

I also dunno about why looking up stuff on the interwebby should be needed for homework - but maybe I'm old-fashioned. :): Surely kids who don't have computers at home (there must still be some) are disadvantaged?



I could run a seminar all night (in a pub of course) on that topic alone.
What they have in the kids school now is "Citrix" allowing the student to log into their account on the school network to do homework. All research for homework should be done in school time imo.

And yes of course any child without internet access at home is dis-advantaged. Pisses me of when they wanna print off pages of "research" which involves only pictures, big ones too. I step in then. :D

I disagree that most parents can't get their head around the internet ie for their children's well being. If you are getting jobseekers allowance you are expected to get educated in computers. Seeing as kids have computers at a young age now maybe parenting should involve education with computers?



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Resonance wrote:There's a petition against the filters up now if anyone wants to sign. Already has 30K+ signatures

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746



Good stuff. I signed this yonks ago.

I think this childish and pathetic excuse to try and censor the net against politically incorrect content is going to fail. Chatter all over the net shows that people are wise to the real agenda behind this. Crap from stooges like MP Claire Perry trying to link viewing regular adult healthy porn with child murder are only fooling the most brain dead in society.

What gives the game away with this fraudulent agenda is Cameron claiming to care about what might be damaging to the children of ordinary people.

If David Cameron truly cared about the welfare of the nation's children why would he continue to allow the world's biggest paedophile ring to run a huge amount of British state primary schools?

i thought you didn't do that sort of thing smeggy :confused: :hmmm:

Changed my mind for that one :) - perhaps a moment of madness :) I dunno :)

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Ironic that the country's biggest wanker wants to censor online porn.

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I wouldn't be so quick to cry out conspiracy just yet, Smeggy. Let's face it most children have found porn in the woods or in a public toilets at some point, Mr Cameron is merely buckling under pressure from the likes of Mumsnet.

But the internet as a whole is a Parental Guidance thing, the internet is like a city. Children should be accompanied by an adult if they are that worried about them walking into the red-light district. But children going onto the internet is something a parent should really think about when they're young - parental locks are but a Google search away. Plus the parent has X amount of years to research this before their children hit their teens. This is the twenty first century, there's no longer an excuse for it.

But as for children getting around those locks, I'd imagine you can password those sites. I'd rather be annoyed every five minutes by junior wanting to unlock a legitimate site and have the peace of mind that the actual porn is being kept away.

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