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Thanks to flawed legislation and ANPR, no matter if you have converted your car to be emission free, you won't be allowed on the road.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

Snowflakes claiming their cherubs are dying in the millions by NOx and other nasties just off Carnaby Street, and the environmental lobbyists have got their way.

Expect your taxes to go up to cover the scrappage and mass burial of vehicles in landfill soon.

Couldn't quite believe this myself when I checked the news this morning.

I thought they'd do something on diesels (tax the shit out of them), but didn't see the banning of new petrols/diesels coming, all be it from 2040.

Don't think a scrappage scheme is definite (they're consulting on it).

I think it's a great idea.

There won't be any mass burial in land fills. Pretty much all the ingredients of a scrapped vehicle are recycled.
There won't be any increase in scrappings as people have 23 years to change to an electric model. The number of people keepigna vehicle going for longer than 23 years is minute.

This will encourage manufacturers to go electric sooner and will means electrics will be cheaper.

I dunno how this will impact veteran and vintage motors, it would be a shame to see them banned. I hope an exemption will be in place. An electric Model-T ford won't be much fun

smeggypants wrote:I think it's a great idea.

There won't be any mass burial in land fills. Pretty much all the ingredients of a scrapped vehicle are recycled.
There won't be any increase in scrappings as people have 23 years to change to an electric model. The number of people keepigna vehicle going for longer than 23 years is minute.

This will encourage manufacturers to go electric sooner and will means electrics will be cheaper.

I dunno how this will impact veteran and vintage motors, it would be a shame to see them banned. I hope an exemption will be in place. An electric Model-T ford won't be much fun

Don't think it will effect them at all. It's no new petrol/diesel cars allowed to be sold after 2040 as far as I know. So ones in existence before then should be fine.

Resonance wrote:

smeggypants wrote:I think it's a great idea.

There won't be any mass burial in land fills. Pretty much all the ingredients of a scrapped vehicle are recycled.
There won't be any increase in scrappings as people have 23 years to change to an electric model. The number of people keepigna vehicle going for longer than 23 years is minute.

This will encourage manufacturers to go electric sooner and will means electrics will be cheaper.

I dunno how this will impact veteran and vintage motors, it would be a shame to see them banned. I hope an exemption will be in place. An electric Model-T ford won't be much fun

Don't think it will effect them at all. It's no new petrol/diesel cars allowed to be sold after 2040 as far as I know. So ones in existence before then should be fine.

Yeah see that now. for some reason I read it was all petrol and diesal vehicles to be banned

smeggypants wrote:I think it's a great idea.

There won't be any mass burial in land fills. Pretty much all the ingredients of a scrapped vehicle are recycled.
There won't be any increase in scrappings as people have 23 years to change to an electric model. The number of people keepigna vehicle going for longer than 23 years is minute.

This will encourage manufacturers to go electric sooner and will means electrics will be cheaper.

Manufacturers have already 'gone electric', but the market wants an alternative. vehicle that fills up in five minutes from a fuel station nearby,and has a range of 500+miles before topping up, neither are available, nor will be even in a small country like the UK.

About 82% of the modern car is recyclable, up from 75% 30 years ago, this is after the fluids and wheels have been removed. Top end models fall outside this owing to the exotic interiors and paint finish. Fibreglass is virtually impossible to recycle, really all that can be done is to transport it to a specialist incinerator plant to burn as fuel.

The government has done nothing about the development of alternative fuels, nor the adaption and use inside existing engines. Neither have they capped the mileage commuters travel to a place of employment, since this is seen as a useful pollutant, exempt from the damage to the environment.

Hopefully they can improve battery technology in a big way over the next 23 years. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of conked out cars in the more rural parts of the country. There will also need to be a massive roll out of charging points.

My experience of driving around the highlands/islands of Scotland for example is you're lucky to see a garage, let alone any charging points for electric cars.

Electric is certainly not the way forward on a domestic road vehicle, it is a distraction and a short term measure for companies like Tesla to make money before spring boarding onto something viable. Being green on paper = mucho kudos.

it's total bollocks.

totally unworkable at the moment and even if you take into account the 23 year lead-up it will be chaos.
driving will be a rich man's game, the hoi polloi will have to revert to public transport ( ha bloody ha!) or shank's pony.

what about good's transportation?

it's just a knee jerk reaction. PAH

robinnia wrote:it's total bollocks.

totally unworkable at the moment and even if you take into account the 23 year lead-up it will be chaos.
driving will be a rich man's game, the hoi polloi will have to revert to public transport ( ha bloody ha!) or shank's pony.

what about good's transportation?

it's just a knee jerk reaction. PAH

Good to cya robs

I disagree. Companies are already starting to move towards Electric models. i.e the recent announcement by volvo.

In 23 years time you won't even be able to buy a NEW petrol or diesel vehicle to flout the ban.

Of course the extra electric power needed to charge them all will need to be addressed, but developments are on the way for fusion power stations.

The planet has to stop using fossil fuels. in fact in the not so distant future it won't have much choice because they'll have run out.

With that in mind perhaps more concerning is finding a replacement for plastics. As they are made out of oil

smeggypants wrote:
With that in mind perhaps more concerning is finding a replacement for plastics. As they are made out of oil

Plastics can be synthesised from plant material before it spends millions of years underground, but it is energy intensive. Better to filter what is already in the environment and reuse and at the same time educate on recycling.

I still stand by what I said Smeggy.

although there will be a ban on fossil fuelled vehicles there will be very little affordable private means of transport.
public transport will have to greatly improve otherwise no bugger will be able to get to work. I'd have to take 3 buses to get to my place of work. Well, I would if I still worked--I want to be retired well before that time.

there would have to be thousands more charging points to get around the problem of "refuelling". No doubt these would only pop up in urban areas. What about the poor sods out in the wilds? I can't imagine you'd get too many of those.

I think the whole idea is ill thought out. Understandable but still not thought through properly.

I have wondered, in a naval-gazing moment, if this is just another way to control and monitor the movements of the masses.

robinnia wrote:I still stand by what I said Smeggy.

although there will be a ban on fossil fuelled vehicles there will be very little affordable private means of transport.
public transport will have to greatly improve otherwise no bugger will be able to get to work. I'd have to take 3 buses to get to my place of work. Well, I would if I still worked--I want to be retired well before that time.

there would have to be thousands more charging points to get around the problem of "refuelling". No doubt these would only pop up in urban areas. What about the poor sods out in the wilds? I can't imagine you'd get too many of those.

I think the whole idea is ill thought out. Understandable but still not thought through properly.

I have wondered, in a naval-gazing moment, if this is just another way to control and monitor the movements of the masses.

I can't argue with the last sentence, the Ruling Establishment has an ongoing agenda to subjugate us.

But I can't agree with your argument on the cost. The cost of electric vehicles will easily have come down to match that of fossil powered ones by 2040 simply by economics of scale. And it's not a total ban on fossil vehicles just a ban on new ones.

Charging points is a current issue agreed, but will it be a major issue in 2040?

smeggypants wrote:
But I can't agree with your argument on the cost. The cost of electric vehicles will easily have come down to match that of fossil powered ones by 2040 simply by economics of scale. And it's not a total ban on fossil vehicles just a ban on new ones.

Charging points is a current issue agreed, but will it be a major issue in 2040?

I hope so, I paid £50 for my last car off eBay and got well over a year out of her.

You say it's not a total ban, the Clean Air legislation confirms that whilst the government isn't going to do the dirty, they've given local authorities carte blanche to do what they need to to clear up the noxious gases, and some of that lot can't even count the pieces in their KFC bucket.

Channel Hopper wrote:

smeggypants wrote:
But I can't agree with your argument on the cost. The cost of electric vehicles will easily have come down to match that of fossil powered ones by 2040 simply by economics of scale. And it's not a total ban on fossil vehicles just a ban on new ones.

Charging points is a current issue agreed, but will it be a major issue in 2040?

I hope so, I paid £50 for my last car off eBay and got well over a year out of her.

You say it's not a total ban, the Clean Air legislation confirms that whilst the government isn't going to do the dirty, they've given local authorities carte blanche to do what they need to to clear up the noxious gases, and some of that lot can't even count the pieces in their KFC bucket.

I didn't. In fact I originally thought it was, but article shows it's only a ban on new fossil driven vehicles from 2040

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You posted above mine that it's not a total ban. Passing the responsibility to local authorities means that it could be, see London for example with the ULEZ. It will become a game of dodging penalties areas up and down the country for some unfortunates simply by driving somewhere (not so different to motorcyclists spotting the friendly bus lanes in South London ).
I would envisage over the next few years the number of 'diesel friendly' driving routes will dwindle to nothing by application of bye-laws.

Sorry I misread it as a total ban. I take that back:)

Hiya Robs.

I am all for creating low/zero emission vehicles but they have to be practical for the purpose and currently there are still too many problems with electric vehicles. Power isnt the problem, in fact power is better produced from electric vehicles but range and charging are major issues. Obviously, charging from the mains provides extra demand on our current power plants which in turn will produce even more CO2's and the more they are driven, the more charging they will need. There is also a problem with weight (Yes seriously) already the government is looking at increasing the MGVW on the licenses of 'new passes' from the current 3500kg to 5000kg to try and address this problem. See, aside of electric cars, lots of 'new passes' go on to get driving jobs as couriers etc and most vehicle manufacturers are looking at diesel/electric hybrid vans... many of which will contain over 1000kg of batteries underneath the floor pan which will increase the vehicles MGVW from 3.5t to around 5t and this is also the situation with all hybrid vehicles.. the MGVW goes up significantly as also does the risks of fire, toxic gasses and eco pollution in the event of an accident. All of which are very detrimental to the environment that they are attempting to protect.

Interestingly, like the article hints at... The cases of various respitory ailments including cancers are on the increase in youngsters in urban areas and have been for the past decade. This is due to the relatively new 'AdBlue' system installed on all new trucks and many cars. AdBlue is a solution of 76% Distilled saltwater and 24% Bovine urea (Pig piss). AdBlue systems work by spraying AdBlue into the exhaust system and 'dampens' the CO2's from flying off into the air. All well and good but that is why many youngsters are now suffering from respitory ailments because they, like the 'grounded CO2's' are low to the ground. Again, Mr Government is considering legistation to refit the exhaust sytems on AdBlue truck back to the old fashioned high up 'Chimney' type stacks as opposed to the recent 'low ground' pipes as fitted in recent years.

Driverless vehicles will be the norm by 2040

Mr Squirrel wrote:This is due to the relatively new 'AdBlue' system installed on all new trucks and many cars. AdBlue is a solution of 76% Distilled saltwater and 24% Bovine urea (Pig piss). AdBlue systems work by spraying AdBlue into the exhaust system and 'dampens' the CO2's from flying off into the air. All well and good but that is why many youngsters are now suffering from respitory ailments because they, like the 'grounded CO2's' are low to the ground. Again, Mr Government is considering legistation to refit the exhaust sytems on AdBlue truck back to the old fashioned high up 'Chimney' type stacks as opposed to the recent 'low ground' pipes as fitted in recent years.

Just wait until the sensitive devout types in North London hear that their roads are being sprayed in animal effluent.