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Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:44 pm
by Whirliegig
I dont have a book to read at the moment, so Im toying with the idea of writing one...

Mills and Boon sell 4 books every second and are looking for new authors.


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years ago, I did write to them for their Writers' Pack - and very interesting it was. No Scottish heroes, is the rule apparently. They don't go down well...with the readers.




Mills & Boon's steamy passage to India to woo authors
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article5372607.ece


How to write a Mills and Boon
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article3246700.ece



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Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:51 pm
by Mike Strutter
hows this for you ..novice scribblers

Loaded mag , want articles =£200 , most womens mags pay the same for stories too

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:52 pm
by Whirliegig
here's another, to give you a feel for the genre

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From the Back Cover
The warrior´s conquest!

With the war drums echoing in her ears, and the sharp northern light glinting off the sharpened swords, Sela stood with trepidation on the shoreline. The dragon ships full of warriors had come, ready for battle and glory.
But it wasn´t the threat of conquest that shook Sela to the core. It was the way her heart responded to the proud face and chiselled body of Vikar Hrutson, jaarl, leader of the invading force.



Great stuff.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:54 pm
by Whirliegig
Mike Strutter wrote:hows this for you ..novice scribblers

Loaded mag , want articles =£200 , most womens mags pay the same for stories too


didnt martyn say he was doing a writers course?

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:54 pm
by Bowker's cat
Hmm, might have a crack at one myself, must be fairly samey. Dashing, sophisticated, handsome hero (Should be able to write that bit from experience) indulges in fun and frolic with 17th century Puritan serving wenches while name dropping Milton and Calvin a lot. Sorted.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:58 pm
by martyn20
Whirliegig wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:hows this for you ..novice scribblers

Loaded mag , want articles =£200 , most womens mags pay the same for stories too


didnt martyn say he was doing a writers course?


I am and I want to get an article published this years at least, working on the beginnings of a book as well, going to use the time on my hands this year more than I have ever done before.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:01 pm
by staroffurby
The erotic/romance section is a huge market, yes its hard to get into but publishers are always on the lookout for something new. Even the slightly more saucy and naughty stories sell big time. I know from personal experience that blokes can have a hard time getting into this market, as the buyers are mostly women and assume a male name on the spine will lead to a unromantic story with nothing but wall to wall sex. So you may be wise to submit stories under a female name.

Give it a go, but try and add something a little different in some way. Trying to copy Mills & Boon would maybe not be the best idea. They have a catalogue of thousands of books, if yours gets published it will be just one, sort of needle in a haystack. If your after information this forum has everything you could need, from those that just write for fun, or those even with published stories under there belt.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:07 pm
by Mike Strutter
martyn20
I have pondered upon taking up the quill again ..lol

If you contact the editor of any of these lads mags /womens mags , send them a good story as your work an see what they say , with the internets its easier now with emails ,lol
The days of using an old typewriter not even electric was fun , an fretting wether the baby you posted in the letter box got there is a thing of the past ..lol

I would recommend if serious about short stories for womens weeklys /lads mags get a loads of them an study what the target market want to read about its all bollocks in them anyway but writing good bollocks gets you steady work /pocket money ...
hope this helps ..;)

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:26 pm
by Whirliegig
Bowker's cat wrote:Hmm, might have a crack at one myself, must be fairly samey. Dashing, sophisticated, handsome hero (Should be able to write that bit from experience) indulges in fun and frolic with 17th century Puritan serving wenches while name dropping Milton and Calvin a lot. Sorted.



mmm, but you have to write it from the serving wenches pov - not yours/the dashing hero's.

And, the serving wench must be feisty, intelligent, wayward, strongwilled etc etc. You just gotta go with the Taming of the Shrew crossed with a bit of Pride and Prejudice misunderstanding, and its in the bag.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:31 pm
by Mike Strutter
Pride and Prejudice...is good
or read a few of their books an rehash your own pulp fiction,
I still think writing these real life shocka type stories for womens mags as a made up sad character would work ..lol

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:36 pm
by staroffurby
Whirliegig wrote:
Bowker's cat wrote:Hmm, might have a crack at one myself, must be fairly samey. Dashing, sophisticated, handsome hero (Should be able to write that bit from experience) indulges in fun and frolic with 17th century Puritan serving wenches while name dropping Milton and Calvin a lot. Sorted.



mmm, but you have to write it from the serving wenches pov - not yours/the dashing hero's.

And, the serving wench must be feisty, intelligent, wayward, strongwilled etc etc. You just gotta go with the Taming of the Shrew crossed with a bit of Pride and Prejudice misunderstanding, and its in the bag.


think more Moll Flanders :thumb:

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:42 pm
by Bowker's cat
Whirliegig wrote:
Bowker's cat wrote:Hmm, might have a crack at one myself, must be fairly samey. Dashing, sophisticated, handsome hero (Should be able to write that bit from experience) indulges in fun and frolic with 17th century Puritan serving wenches while name dropping Milton and Calvin a lot. Sorted.



mmm, but you have to write it from the serving wenches pov - not yours/the dashing hero's.

And, the serving wench must be feisty, intelligent, wayward, strongwilled etc etc. You just gotta go with the Taming of the Shrew crossed with a bit of Pride and Prejudice misunderstanding, and its in the bag.


I'll go for plan B then and get one out of the library and just change the names of the characters and locations. :thumb:

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:48 pm
by Whirliegig
staroffurby wrote:
Whirliegig wrote:
Bowker's cat wrote:Hmm, might have a crack at one myself, must be fairly samey. Dashing, sophisticated, handsome hero (Should be able to write that bit from experience) indulges in fun and frolic with 17th century Puritan serving wenches while name dropping Milton and Calvin a lot. Sorted.



mmm, but you have to write it from the serving wenches pov - not yours/the dashing hero's.

And, the serving wench must be feisty, intelligent, wayward, strongwilled etc etc. You just gotta go with the Taming of the Shrew crossed with a bit of Pride and Prejudice misunderstanding, and its in the bag.


think more Moll Flanders :thumb:


hmmm... is Moll Flanders a Mills and Boon heroine - isnt her story too fatalistic, and her own personality too cunning and dark?

A mills and boon gal is more....winsome and innocent, yet beguiling and intelligent, who in bewitching her man, is tamed herself....but not, before some dreadful misunderstanding, involving one of his past loves, a trusty housekeeper, or his mother/sister/ a family secret - the key word being misunderstanding, as all is resolved with satisfactory neatness and communication.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:54 pm
by staroffurby
Whirliegig wrote:
staroffurby wrote:
think more Moll Flanders :thumb:


hmmm... is Moll Flanders a Mills and Boon heroine - isnt her story too fatalistic, and her own personality too cunning and dark?

A mills and boon gal is more....winsome and innocent, yet beguiling and intelligent, who in bewitching her man, is tamed herself....but not, before some dreadful misunderstanding, involving one of his past loves, a trusty housekeeper, or his mother/sister/ a family secret.


that is true, Moll isn't a mills n boon character by quite some distance. Then does all female characters need these traits your pointing out. Why not create a character first? Know that person well, the period of time they are in, job, country everything about them. Then just take it from there. See what journey he/she takes you on.

I only mentioned Moll as i find dark more interesting and ultimately a little more realistic. When it comes to erotic writing you even want something you believe in or the other end of the spectrum. I seem to find that there is very little middle ground.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:59 pm
by Whirliegig
Dark is more interesting and ultimately more satisfying, i agree!

But Mills and Boon are definitely a genre/formula unto themseles, and their heroines are basically all the same character....as are the heroes.

So if youre aiming for writing/reading realistic romantic fiction, then Mills and Boon definitely isnt it.


And, are we talking romantic fiction, or erotic fiction - or both?

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:04 pm
by staroffurby
Whirliegig wrote:And, are we talking romantic fiction, or erotic fiction - or both?


thats the thing its hard to draw a line between the two as often it comes down to personal preference i feel.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:22 pm
by Whirliegig
martyn20 wrote:
Whirliegig wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:hows this for you ..novice scribblers

Loaded mag , want articles =£200 , most womens mags pay the same for stories too


didnt martyn say he was doing a writers course?


I am and I want to get an article published this years at least, working on the beginnings of a book as well, going to use the time on my hands this year more than I have ever done before.



beginnings of a book
- sounds interesting - can you tell us a bit more?

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:23 pm
by Whirliegig
staroffurby wrote:
Whirliegig wrote:And, are we talking romantic fiction, or erotic fiction - or both?


thats the thing its hard to draw a line between the two as often it comes down to personal preference i feel.


hmmm...romantic fiction - reader is left at the bedroom door

erotic fiction - the reader is invited to share.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:25 pm
by staroffurby
Whirliegig wrote:
staroffurby wrote:
Whirliegig wrote:And, are we talking romantic fiction, or erotic fiction - or both?


thats the thing its hard to draw a line between the two as often it comes down to personal preference i feel.


hmmm...romantic fiction - reader is left at the bedroom door

erotic fiction - the reader is invited to share.


i am not sure about that, the wording that leads up to the event can create the bedroom scene without you being taken through the door so to speak. I have known plenty of stories that can easily be classed as erotic due to what you create in your mind but are not graphic in showing the explicit detail.

Virgin Slave, Barbarian King

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:29 pm
by Mike Strutter
I have a dirty lil secret to confess .... :oops: :oops:

Some of you may know ...but ..

I used write short stories for Mens mags in the late 80s , Paul Raymond publishing , :oops: :eek: :eek4:

It started by me sending a letter in to Mayfair mag ,
it was a good soft Porn type lads mag back in the 80s ,
it had stories about war/weapons,
an articles pics on spitfires,
an old cars Morgans,
I got a letter back off the editor asking me if I could write him a short story for publication,
so I sat in my works van at dinner an had a good read through some of the girlie mags , for inspiration .. :rofl:

I wrote one...
On an old typewriter my father had brought home from work , a one finger typer lol
I nervously an secretly sent it a big brown envolope ,
with a short scribbled note excusing my spelling an any grammatical errors,

I thought bollocks winding me up ..

but by the end of the week I was sent a reply an cheque for £50 for the readers letter an £75 for a story ,
:yippee: :yippee: :jester:
I wrote a story from then on once a week usually a thursday night ,
It paid for my weekenders beery nights in Blackpool ..lol

I would never worry any Hemingway or Pinter but not bad getting into the minds of all those furtive wanking males an females out there who enjoyed my stories ,lol

I wrote for Escort , Razzle , MayFair , Club , Club International ..

there now you know my Dirty Lil Secret Sordid Hobby ..... :rofl:

Im sure writing a piece for Loaded should be piss easy ..
as tbh hardcore short filth wanking fiction can be hard (sic) lol :rofl:

an as an old friend Jeff who was a mag editor told me since the Internets,
any monkey who writes a witty ditty on a web board thing they are a literary genuis now ..lol :rofl: :rofl:

+ net writing can make you very lazy ...(as that badly written jumble of words above will tell you ..lol)