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just seen a new advert for cannon fodder ..ahem army "ask soldiers what its like " ...why not advertise the results of fighting and being killed wounded mentally and physically :mad: :spike:

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There's a big recruitment push at the moment, it seems, for the Army, Navy and RAF. There's ads all over the telly, radio and even on the side of buses here. They do seem to be showing the more 'pleasant' (if that's the right word :| ) side of things. Like you say, Wotsit, they should show people being blown to smithereens and having their brains blown all over the floor by sniper fire.

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When my son was little, I used to worry that he might want to join the forces when he was older, but thankfully he has never shown any interest at all, in fact he left the scouts because he found it too 'regimental'.

One of his friends is thinking about it though. He's a lovely boy but wasn't doing very well at college and has now dropped out. He seems to think the army is quite glamorous and he will make loads of money. I really hope he has a rethink :(



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as some of you fellow people may know i served in the RAF from 1980 til 1992 i was blown up at the age of 19 years old and saw my best mate and sergeant killed in front of me ...i still suffer now from flashbacks and nightmares ....at the time i joined the RAF their slogan was "train for a trade"
yes the trade i joined into there were risks but the aftercare is and still will be crap it took 19 yrs for me to be diagnosed with PTSD ...you dont see that in the ads now do you ?

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wotsit2 wrote:as some of you fellow people may know i served in the RAF from 1980 til 1992 i was blown up at the age of 19 years old and saw my best mate and sergeant killed in front of me ...i still suffer now from flashbacks and nightmares ....at the time i joined the RAF their slogan was "train for a trade"
yes the trade i joined into there were risks but the aftercare is and still will be crap it took 19 yrs for me to be diagnosed with PTSD ...you dont see that in the ads now do you ?


I didnt know your story wotsit...it sounds very traumatic . I hope things arent too bad for you now.

My brother and sister in law are actively encourageing their eldest to join the RAF - they think its a good career. My bil was in the police and I think he sees the armed forces as a rather more glamorous version of his own job. As a parent, i must admit its not what I'd want for my children.

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I didn't know that either wotsit. I think it's terrible that people in your position get so little help when you have been prepared to give so much. Hope life is good now.



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the tablets help but not always ...it took a visit to st thomas' hospital to find out what was wrong ...i do have some support from a charity called combat stress but they are probably inundated with new victims so i havent been there for over a year now

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OMFG just seen a revamped cannon fodder ad with blonde bimbos chucking a bloke in the sea having a great laugh makes me fucking sick ...of course there is fun in the armed services but all the time you are trained to kill

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wotsit2 wrote:the tablets help but not always ...it took a visit to st thomas' hospital to find out what was wrong ...i do have some support from a charity called combat stress but they are probably inundated with new victims so i havent been there for over a year now


but you are as deserving for care and attention as others wotsit - dont talk yourself out of getting the help they are there to give....hmmm?

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wotsit2 wrote:the tablets help but not always ...it took a visit to st thomas' hospital to find out what was wrong ...i do have some support from a charity called combat stress but they are probably inundated with new victims so i havent been there for over a year now


but you are as deserving for care and attention as others wotsit - dont talk yourself out of getting the help they are there to give....hmmm?

for some reason the charity seems to think i need a detox ??WTF i havent drunk booze in nearly a year ...but still what the hell i have my tablets ...i'll get by :banghead:

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a detox? Carol Vorderman style - or a homeopathic detoxing type thing - because of stuff youve possibly been exposed to? ( sorry, dont mean to pry)

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Ms Honey wrote:I didn't know that either wotsit. I think it's terrible that people in your position get so little help when you have been prepared to give so much. Hope life is good now.


It's terrible indeed, but the establishment who use the forces as mercenaries don't give a shit about them. After all if they are prepared to slaughtered a million Arabs why would they bother about a few hundred UK servicemen. The Zionist Madeleine Albright ( whose father was mentor to Condoleezza Rice ) when asked about the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children caused by the starvation conditions of the pre-invasion sanctions simply said "It was worth it!" Bitch!! :mad:

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These are the people that don't care about us or anyone else.

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smeggypants wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QFnAoqRZM&feature=related

These are the people that don't care about us or anyone else.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Raffles wrote:
smeggypants wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QFnAoqRZM&feature=related

These are the people that don't care about us or anyone else.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.




The fraud is hideous isn't it?

"Fight for their country" ?

What a load of bollocks. They weren't fighting for their country they were fighting for the establishment.

The propaganda still goes on today, and it's just as effective. The population were screwed over about the truth of Iraq, truth of Lebanon and now the truth of Georgia. Oh an the current truth of Afghanistan and the protection of the Opium trade.

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smeggypants wrote:
Raffles wrote:
smeggypants wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QFnAoqRZM&feature=related

These are the people that don't care about us or anyone else.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.




The fraud is hideous isn't it?

"Fight for their country" ?

What a load of bollocks. They weren't fighting for their country they were fighting for the establishment.

The propaganda still goes on today, and it's just as effective. The population were screwed over about the truth of Iraq, truth of Lebanon and now the truth of Georgia. Oh an the current truth of Afghanistan and the protection of the Opium trade.

I think you could chart it back as far as history goes.
The methods change is all.

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Raffles wrote:
smeggypants wrote:
Raffles wrote:
smeggypants wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QFnAoqRZM&feature=related

These are the people that don't care about us or anyone else.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.




The fraud is hideous isn't it?

"Fight for their country" ?

What a load of bollocks. They weren't fighting for their country they were fighting for the establishment.

The propaganda still goes on today, and it's just as effective. The population were screwed over about the truth of Iraq, truth of Lebanon and now the truth of Georgia. Oh an the current truth of Afghanistan and the protection of the Opium trade.

I think you could chart it back as far as history goes.
The methods change is all.


Indeed.

But the one big factor that has been added to the equation which wasn't their before....... THE INTERNET.

What's different these days is that the ordinary person is able to publish information worldwide in seconds without the censoring and filtering of the Mainstream Media. The mainstream media is fighting back by discrediting the internet and putting itself forward as the only reliable source. This is why the disinformation about Wikipedia is being spread around. I'm hearing more and more people discredit Wikipedia, when in reality Wikipedia when used properly is the most reliable source of info.

Even since the false flag of 911 and the bogus invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq the Internet has come a long way in terms of it's in-roads into the mainstream.

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smeggypants wrote: This is why the disinformation about Wikipedia is being spread around. I'm hearing more and more people discredit Wikipedia, when in reality Wikipedia when used properly is the most reliable source of info.


Wikipedia is a pile of shit.

I know of at least two cases where it presents misinformation, which I'm qualified to discuss.
One where it has bowed to pressure from a discussion forum .
Another from an individual with a vested interest in a couple of words.

Kakapedia!

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smeggypants wrote: This is why the disinformation about Wikipedia is being spread around. I'm hearing more and more people discredit Wikipedia, when in reality Wikipedia when used properly is the most reliable source of info.


Wikipedia is a pile of shit.

I know of at least two cases where it presents misinformation, which I'm qualified to discuss.
One where it has bowed to pressure from a discussion forum .
Another from an individual with a vested interest in a couple of words.

Kakapedia!


I've found more than a two cases.

but the point with Wikipedia is at least it can be edited and changed. ( which I know I difficult at times ). There's probably a few more cases of disinformation on wikipedia, but out of 2,500,000 articles.... ??

And like I say Wikipedia should be used properly, which means reading the discussion page so you get a broader view.

Compare that to a privately compiled encyclopaedia where you can be presented with propaganda/misinformation have NO CHANCE of correcting it.

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Whirliegig wrote:a detox? Carol Vorderman style - or a homeopathic detoxing type thing - because of stuff youve possibly been exposed to? ( sorry, dont mean to pry)

no whirls to come off booze :confused: ...i dont drink anymore

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